I feel like a lot of abortion debates are becoming based on feelings, emotions, and subjective morality. I’m not looking for an ugly knock out drag out debate, i just want to discuss hard facts about abortion and see where this goes.
Okay here are the hard facts about abortions:
The fetus, at any time before 35 weeks gestation does not have the capacity to differentiate between ‘painful touch’ and ‘pleasant touch’. Even at 24 weeks, it doesn’t have the part of the brain that registers touch at all, therefore fetuses feel no pain whatsoever during an abortion. Even during the saline abortions that you falsely claim were ‘painful’ to the fetus on your blog.
The fetus relies fully on the body it is inside of to maintain it’s survival and function, thereby requiring that persons continuous consent to remain there, as the right to security of person was deemed more important that a right to life as seen in the supreme court cases in the USA of Roe V. Wade and McFall V. Shimp (In Canada the two cases that did this were Morgentaler, Smoling, and Scott v. Queen and Daigle V. Trembley).
The fetus does not have the capacity for conscious, purposeful, or controlled movement. All movement that a fetus makes is fully involuntary, and happen as a result of the nervous system forming, testing itself out, and testing limb movement in order to ensure everything is in place to ensure survival capability after birth -assuming it survives the pregnancy and birth. In fact, the first sparks of consciousness in homo sapiens happens at 5 months AFTER birth.
In places where abortions are legal and easily accessible, there are lower abortion rates. In places where abortions are illegal or heavily restricted there are more abortions. This is an across-board thing, a global pattern.
Lack of safe abortion access KILLS. An estimated 68,000 people per year die because of lack of access to safe abortions, and a uncounted millions are left with permanent health issues as a result. That’s an estimated 186 people who will die TODAY because they did not have safe access to an abortion. There are an estimated 19 million unsafe and illegal abortions performed annually.
Most abortions are NOT performed on teenagers who were sleeping around and did not use protection. The largest groups recieving abortions are ages 20-24 (33% of all abortions), non-hispanic white (36%), religious(37% identify as protestant and 28% identify as catholic, meaning over half of abortion recipients follow a sect of Christianity) , married or cohabiting (55%), have one or more children (61%), used protection (51%) and are below the poverty line (42% are 100% below the poverty line, and a further 27% are 100-199% below the poverty line. 69% of abortion recipients are below the poverty line). (source)
Abortion has no severe, long term effects on people who get them. There is no increase to breast cancer risks, there is no increased risk to ectopic pregnancies, there is not increased risk of pelvic inflammatory disease, there is no Post-Abortion Syndrome, there is no increased risk of abruptio placentae.
And finally there is the fact that organs, does not a person make. Most things on this planet have organs. Birds have organs, bees have organs, dogs, lions, bears, pigs, cows, and even individual cells have organs or organ-like components that keep them alive. The fetuses development level does not grant it rights because that is not how we grant rights.
Those are the cold, hard facts on abortion. Those are the facts pro choicers have presented a thousand times to you and countless other pro lifers like you. Those are the facts that your group has ignored over and over again in favour of proven misinformation. I have no doubt there will be no response to this, and if there is you will give me lifenews or some other equally biased site as a “source”, despite my giving you only unbiased ones. If you want to discuss the facts on abortion you can’t use websites that are based in lies.
Anyone who tells me women shouldn’t have access to safe abortions can get drop-kicked in the face. You don’t have to agree with someone’s choice – respect it, stay quiet, and move on. Did it personally effect your quality of life? I hardly doubt it. It’s 2018 people. Wake the fuck up.
Okay, I hate to get apart of these discussions, but I gotta talk here.
I’m an abortion survivor.At the first (maybe second?) Ultrasound, the doctors pulled my parents aside and said that I was a trouble baby, that there was an 80% chance that I would have several crippling diseases, that there was a chance that I wouldn’t live past my first year, that the birth would probably be painful and dangerous for my mom, who was already nearly too old to have children and had already had two c-sections, drastically increasing her risk of hemorrhaging to death.
The doctors recommended abortion. Strongly.
I’m sure you can guess what my mom said.
No.
She didn’t care that I would never know. She didn’t care that she might die. She didn’t care that she might only have me for a year. She didn’t care that I might not be the happy, healthy child that she had hoped for.
She didn’t care.
Cuz my mom’s the most selfless person I know.
And guess what?
I was fine.
Yeah, I have neck and back problems and CM and MVA and a crap ton of other problems, but I still thank my mom every kriffing day for not aborting me. Because she decided to risk her life instead of having a “safe” abortion, I graduated at the age of 15, scored in the 95th percentile of my state, won a full ride scholarship to college, am a sophomore student with honors, and I just got an invitation for an internship in NYC.
Call me proud, bragging, boastful, privileged, or any other shitty words, but until you can convince me that maybe I shouldn’t have existed, you can kiss my ass.
And look, @iidigestive-readerii , I don’t want there to be a quarrel between us. Even friends can have their differences, but I want the differences–and the reasons why they exist–to be clear.
Your mother had that option. She had the option to make a choice. The doctors presented her with the facts of her pregnancy, and she did what she thought was best. That’s what pro-choice people want– for people to be able to make a choice about their pregnancy.
Your existence is not an argument for making abortions illegal or for their immorality- if anything, your existence is an argument for informed choices, for prenatal screening, and for strong support systems that help both mother and baby. If your mom didn’t have access to prenatal screenings, if your mom didn’t have those options, do you think she would have been as informed about the potential challenges of raising you? Knowing and accepting the risks means you get to prepare for them. You get to make yourself mentally ready for possible challenges, and they don’t surprise you when they pop up after birth. Don’t you think that robust prenatal and postnatal healthcare and support made it easier to give birth with all these potential problems? Without the option to legally and safely abort, prenatal screenings are much less useful- and it sounds like your mom was in a pretty good situation to begin with, other than you being a risky pregnancy. And that’s what you were, a risky pregnancy. You are not an abortion survivor. If your mother had gone through an abortion procedure and Fetal You had survived, you’d be an abortion survivor, but your mom chose to carry you to term. That makes you a successful pregnancy. That makes you her baby. But an abortion survivor? Nah.
Nobody’s saying “you shouldn’t exist.” Even you’re just saying that your mother had the option to abort and didn’t. Does that make the option a bad one? No. Being pro-choice is about the choice itself. Not everybody’s as lucky as your mother- from just the snippet of story up there, it’s pretty obvious that she had a strong support system (your father) and was receiving regular medical care. That’s not the case for a lot of women.
Also: anecdotes aren’t data. Your story is anecdotal, a best-case scenario. Your story is the story of a woman who clearly had access to medical care and support, and who was part of a family that supported her decision as well. But your story doesn’t contradict the facts or even provide strong evidence that abortion is immoral or should be illegal- it just shows that in one very specific case, a woman’s choice not to abort turned out really well for the child (and I’m assuming your mother, I bet she’s very happy with you- you’re obviously really accomplished and I bet she loves you a lot).
But it’s not an argument against abortion.
Lets debate biology.
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